In addition, after this was the rebellion of Sheba, in which there were all kinds of disruptions until Sheba was killed. He does not live long past the end of II Samuel. So they performed all that the king commanded. Then David went and took the bones of Saul, and the bones of Jonathan his son, from the men of Jabesh Gilead who had stolen them from the street of Beth Shan, where the Philistines had hung them up, after the Philistines had struck down Saul in Gilboa. Back in I Samuel 15, Saul was told by God through Samuel to go up against the Amalekites, and to destroy everything in sight, do not spare anything; exterminate them. If we would go through Luke 21:7-12, we would see that Jesus gave His disciples indications of what would happen if the time of the end began. One of them toward the end of this list is King David. That is the background on the Gibeonites, and their relationship with Israel. Other people do not carry the guilt for that person's sin. It must have been a satisfactory solution from Gods point of view, because he sent the rain on the land after the measures had been taken. Jeiel, Sauls great-grandfather, was the progenitor of the Gibeonites ( 1 Chron 8:29-33; 9:35-39 ), so Saul slaughtered his own relatives! Was John the Baptist conceived via an immaculate conception? Then we have verses 34 through 36. God told Joshua to get rid of all these foreigners in the land. He had to plead to God for clearing and forgiveness, for cleaning up, because he knew it was not in himself to do that. Instead, David brings back twice as many. You didn't do it. Clarify Why wasn't I told about this?" So he said, "Whatever you say, I will do for you." I haven't been keeping up on things. Report. But Abishai the son of Zeruiah came to his aid, and struck the Philistine and killed him. They had remembered it for 40 or 50 years. Share 6. He gives them exactly what they want, and look at what happens. And the LORD answered, "It is because of Saul and his bloodthirsty house, because he killed the Gibeonites." Completely ignoring God's explicit command to spare the Gibeonites, Saul decreed it was time to remove them completely by exterminating them. Let his blood be on us and on our children., Perhaps the Gibeonites are a type of the inclusion of the gentiles Romans 9:22-24. ESV - 1316). The Gibeonites deceived Israel, but God's people had really deceived themselves. If He said that you are out of here, you are out of here. Jonathan and Saul led the He just simply rolled over. By deluding himself that he could solve any problem; by presuming that the end justifies the means; by deliberately countermanding clear and specific orders from the Most High God; Saul not only failed to remove an evil people from the land, he also guaranteed the ultimate destruction of his own family. For unknown reasons, Joshua and the elders of Israel quickly bit on this proposal. No one killed king David. He died of old age, at the age of three score and ten (70 years). His son Solomon succeeded him. You might be thinking of Web2 Samuel 21:2 indicates that King Saul pursued the Gibeonites and sought to kill them off "in his zeal for the children of Israel and Judah" (2 Samuel 21:5). King David was compelled to hand over his own people to the power of Israel's ongoing enemies. Moreover, Samuel said, "What have you done? But, you would think that after two years you would get the idea that this was not breaking. And the Gibeonites said to him, "We will have no silver or gold from Saul or from his house, nor shall you kill any man in Israel for us." We would like to make a covenant with you.". It won't do anybody any good lying here dead. The person who commits a sin is guilty of that sin, and God punishes that person for that sin. They didn't present themselves in a truthful light saying that they were neighbors who respected Israel's strength and godly advantage and were suing for peace. And the Lord said, "There is bloodguilt on Saul and on his house, because he put the Gibeonites to death. They were appeasing their own god to send rain. Perhaps trickery will be better than war for us.". By this time, having fought all his life since he was a teenagerup against Goliath when he was eighteen or soand here he was approaching 70 years old, and he was tired. Go coach! Now, if we would go through II Samuel 24, that even though David made a huge mistake in chapter 21, he did it right in chapter 24. So let seven of Sauls sons or grandsons be handed over to us, and we will execute them before the Lord at Gibeon, on the mountain of the Lord.. For all his misguided efforts and pains, Saul reaped the fruits of his delusion. Share A good answer provides new insight and perspective. We can't withstand them. That is basically how it was. WebThe Philistines decided not to attack D. God gave Saul three options to choose from as he went out against the Philistines. What is meaning of 2 Cor. Only when the Gibeonites were under siege from a common enemy and were calling in the marker on their mutual aid treaty did the Israelites turn to God for counsel and advice. God did not necessarily overlook all their sins, but He certainly forgave them. Matt 24:4/Mk 13:5/Lk 21:8. The Israelites had been dealing with the Gibeonites, who were Hivitesand as it says here, they were a part of the Amorite peoplesince the first days in the land under Joshua. Jesus Christ should be everyone's ultimate hero. Is that what happened?" He was distracted by the cares of this world, by the pulls of this, that, and the other thing, and so he gives in and compromises with the people of the land. 2 And the king called the Gibeonites, and said unto them; (now the Gibeonites were not of the children of Israel, but of the This angered God and was only amended years later after sacrificing seven of Sauls sons to the Gibeonites by hanging them before Jehovah at Sauls hometown, Gibeah. After that, Gibeonites were no longer mentioned though there are some writers who believed that they were among the Nethinim, the ones selected to serve the temple. Samuel turns away; Saul grabs at him and only catches his robe, and tears it. The last time Saul did swear not to kill David, Saul swore "by YHWH" not to kill david he broke it many times over since. Should the explanation in Genesis on how God created plants before the sun affect the understanding of creation? There was a covenant with those people that not only Joshua and the people honored, but also God Himself honored as well. He was tired, and wanted to get it out of the way. Ezekiel 18 makes it clear that God punishes people for their own iniquity. There are things like destruction for their sin, and the family takes that long to recover from that destruction. Even though the avenger of blood could kill the person if he caught him before he arrived at the city of refugewhat this verse is saying, here, is that if the nation follows through, and enlarges the lands by obeying God, He will designate more cities of refuge so that they are closer. However, the Gibeonites did. WebOne of the mothers of the men hanged by the Gibeonites protected the bodies of Saul's sons from birds and wild beasts day and night. Today, I want to visit one of King David's lesser-known black marks, and draw some lessons from it at the end. For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth.". but Saul had sought to kill them in his zeal for the children of Israel and Judah. That is the bottom line. He wanted to go do something else. Where have you been, David? WebWhen Sauls agents came up, she pretended that David was ill and placed a household idol and a net of goats hair in his bed, as if her husband were still lying there (vv. Of course, a part of it is being able to look at ourselves and see how dirty, nasty, and rotten we are, and saying, "There is no way that anybody could live in this world without sin; even God's beloved Son.". The prophet Zechariah asks a question that is forever pertinent to all spiritual considerations and decisions: "For who hath despised the day of small things?" However, there was not. God punished the whole nation for breaking the covenant. Notice the timing and the manner of the execution. God is warning here that sin has consequences. God has torn the kingdom from you. So he said, "Whatever you say, I will do for you." When did Saul kill these Gibeonites? I think he was distracted by all the cares of his office of being king. In 1 Samuel 10, Saul first tries to kill David by straight up pinning him to the wall with his spear, but David dodges twice. The Bible helps us in this way, because it is full of examples of flawed heroes of faith. I do not think that King David thought through the implications of this matter very well. WebA three years' famine in the days of David was attributed to God's anger at the unexpiated crime of Saul in slaying the Gibeonites. It is after Absalom's rebellion. Now that we have established that there was a horrible massacre at some point in the past, remember there was sin, and there was a crime committed. It is tainted.". Instead, they told a story that either ignored the truth completely or, at least, shaded the truth in such a way that it was full of guile and deceit. (1) A three-year famine prompts David to seek God. And the Lord said, There is bloodguilt on Saul and on his house, because he put the Gibeonites to death. 2 So the king called the Gibeonites and There is demotion. Gibeon is only a few miles mostly north of Jerusalem. This would be in the spring during or after the Days of Unleavened Bread. How does this all connect with Ezekiel chapter 18? To put it in a more modern time setting, a lot of people prefer Batman (the dark one), or Spiderman (the geek), to Superman for the very same reasons. He decided to let the Gibeonites dictate everything. Then they answered the king, "As for the man who consumed us and plotted against us, that we should be destroyed from remaining in any of the territories of Israel, "let seven men of his descendants be delivered to us, and we will hang them before the LORD in Gibeah of Saul, whom the LORD chose." As mentioned earlier, there was the rebellion of Absalom. Now if the LORD your God enlarges your territory, as He swore to your fathers, and gives you the land which He promised to give to your fathers, and if you keep all these commandments and do them, which I command you today, to love the LORD your God and to walk always in His ways, then you shall add three more cities for yourself besides these three, lest innocent blood be shed in the midst of your land which the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, and thus guilt of bloodshed be upon you. It does not matter. The children of Israel gathered and went across the Jordan River, and set up camp at Gilgal. And we bear the guilt with them for that. But the king spared Mephibosheth the son of Jonathan, the son of Saul, because of the LORD's oath that was between them, between David and Jonathan the son of Saul. (Now the Gibeonites were not Israelites, but a remnant of the Amorites. There is no want to those who fear Him. But, he did not. And it would have been done quickly and easily. There are so many things I have got to do.". Go back with me to Deuteronomy 7 and see the instruction that God gave to Israel about how to deal with these kinds of people. They did not ask, "God, what should we do to these people, the Gibeonites? But the consequences of their sinswhat it means to us; what happened because of their sinstill affects us today. . I also want you to see how warlike Saul was. Why is it just now that you are waking up to this? David was annonted by Sammuel Apr 10, 1035. He enslaved them all, and made them wood cutters and menial laborers at the Tabernacle. David may have begun to think about this now, "What is going on here? Christ says, Luke 21:34-35 "But take heed to yourselves, lest your hearts be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life, and that Day come on you unexpectedly. He was humble and relied on God, and was granted many victories over Israels enemies. Things started to go downhill over time however, as Saul became presumptuous and arrogant; he ignored several direct commands of God, and the last straw came when he interfered in offering a sacrifice to God, in direct contravention of what hed been told to do. After 7-10 years of war, David has solidified his empire Mar 2, 2022. I Samuel 14:47-48 So Saul established his sovereignty over Israel, and fought against all his enemies on every side, against Moab, against the people of Ammon, against Edom, against the kings of Zobah, and against the Philistines. It only says that God heeded the prayer of the land. About two years ago, Barry Watson, our lone member in Namibia, wrote me an email message in which this incident was at the heart of it. Exodus 21:12-13 "He who strikes a man so that he dies shall surely be put to death. Then the men of David swore to him, saying, "You shall go out no more with us to battle, lest you quench the lamp of Israel.". Fifty years ago was 1957. & "Take heed that you be not deceived." & "Take heed that you be not deceived." There is no biblical account of this escapade of Saul and his house against Gibeon. It does not seem to me that during this time of the three years of famine David was emulating the attitude that he wrote about in Psalm 34. It is the time of the beginning of the barley harvest. However there is nothing in the text that indicates he did this. This is interesting. So Joshua made peace with them, and made a covenant with them to let them live; and the rulers of the congregation swore to them. So the king called the Gibeonites and spoke to them. Justice seems to have been served. If we were reading this quickly, and not really thinking about it, and not understanding God's own character, we might think that this says that God allows the guilt of sin to pass down three or four generations. Jew or gentile? 12 Saul said, Listen now, son of Ahitub.. God only let the rain cycle start again. What have you been thinking about?". And King David rolled over and let this happen. But so did David. To re-establish peace between the two tribes, David fulfills the Gibeonites request to sacrifice two heirs of Israels throne, Sauls sons and grandsons. Ezekiel 18:19-20 Yet you say, 'Why should the son not bear the guilt of the father?' Evidently, this is what Saul and most of his family was like, except Jonathan. A brief, but important, reference to the Gibeonites can also be found in 2 Samuel 21:1-14. He received good marks in Scripture. My supposition is that he may have been still questioning God about the way his reign seemed to have crumbled, and all he had was enemies around him. Deuteronomy 7:1-2 When the LORD your God brings you into the land which you go to possess, and has cast out many nations before you, the Hittites and the Girgashites and the Amorites and the Canaanites and the Perizzites and the Hivites and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than you, and when the LORD your God delivers them over to you, you shall conquer them and utterly destroy them. The young lions lack and suffer hunger; but those who seek the LORD shall not lack any good thing. WebVetus Testamentum 24:1 (January 1974):1-7.] This may have only been a couple of months later. Although the people of Israel had sworn to spare them, Saul had sought to strike them down in his zeal for the people of Israel and Judah. As we get to about verse 32 in Hebrews 11, Paul says that he does not have time to get to all the other heroes of faith that the Bible gives us. Now the Gibeonites were not of the children of Israel, but of the remnant of the Amorites; the children of Israel had sworn protection to them, but Saul had sought to kill them in his zeal for the children of Israel and Judah. In fact, it can be read as if David approached it as only a minor administrative matter. We are talking about the possibility of only two of the seven even remotely having any guilt in this matter whatsoever. This has become known as the "eye for an eye principle." He has mercy, and holds the curses to just a few generations, but He allows the results of doing righteousness to last forever. 2. This cultural trait makes it difficult for many people to identify with Jesus Christ. He had to sit there and judge people with all the little things they constantly brought up to him that seemed to need his decision on. Evidently, that is what he did. Notice verse 2 says that Saul tried to strike them down in his zeal (also means jealously or envy) for the people of Israel and Judah. Sheba's rebellion is in the previous chapter, II Samuel 20. They haven't been put in Kish's sepulcher yet. Lets be clear from the very beginning, David was kind to Mephibosheth for his father Jonathans sake (2 Samuel 9:1). Mephibosheth was only five ye If, in the event the Israelis ever came their way, they would be servants to the people of Israel. And, that was that. fit into Creation? It has got to go. And David was told what Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, the concubine of Saul, had done. Share It would take three or four generations for perversion to be kicked out of a society. SERIES INTRODUCTION He says to watchbe aware, be awake, be vigilant; know what your spiritual state is. When were threatened by a Philistine attack, Saul he disobeyed Jehovah by offering a sacrifice instead of waiting for Samuel to do it. They had advance warning. He was the king. The "Great Debate" between Nixon and Kennedy had not occurred yet. Saul and the Pharisees persecuted and killed the Christians, The sons of King Saul were killed as a result of this attempted genocide, The non-Christian inhabitants of Jerusalem were destroyed in AD70 Gods judgment on them for murdering his son and doubtless, the early Christians. He keeps his word even to his own disadvantage and does not change it [for his own benefit] (Psalm 15:1, 4; AMP). It does not require at all times that a person guilty of bloodshed die. The Gibeonites achieved their short term goal - survival; but they paid a terribly long term price for it - virtual slavery! King Saul exhibited that hubris, that overweening pride in his own decisions and that unfounded confidence in his own good judgment that he brought certain and lasting disaster upon his own dynasty. I don't know a great deal about this particular segment of those biblical people called the Hittites. Saul tried to get back his throne from God by doing what he thought was right, what he thought was zealous for God, by getting rid of the foreignersincluding the Gibeonitesthat were among them. He was distracted. WebTheir apostasy began with the Hivites from Gibeon, and in time, the leaven slowly spread. Think about it. He attempted the genocide of Then they asked for a king, and God gave them Saul son of Kish, a man of the tribe of Benjamin, for forty years. Why didnt Abraham bargain with God when it came to Isaac being offered as a burnt offering like he did when it came to Sodom and Gomorrah? Another group, however, argues that as God's anointed king, 1. And you shall take no ransom for him who has fled to his city of refuge, that he may return to dwell in the land before the death of the priest [no way of getting out of that either; he has to serve his whole time]. The Bible tells us that after Saul's death God sent a famine into the land mainly to get the attention of Saul's successor, King David. Hebrews 11 exhibits a whole chapter of men and women just like us who, despite their humanity and frequent foibles, fought the good fight of faith and were victorious in the end through the grace of God. During Davids reign, the people of Gibeon demanded that all of Sauls children be put to death so as to atone for a severe famine. God sent the rain, it says specifically, "from heaven," verse 10, "in the latter rains," which is their normal cycle. Or as the Gibeonites said Saul consumed them and tried to destroy them a people Israel had entered into a covenant with 400 years earlier. It comes as a snare, Christ says, on everybody. You can read about them for yourself in the Book of Joshua, chapters nine and ten. 2Samuel 21:1, There is bloodguilt on Saul and on his house, because he put the Gibeonites to death.. 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