Perhaps you are not pleased at the entire point of this post and of the previous one isnt the topic you want, but its rather childish to show up and insist that it means weve all lost it and that Jimmy is trying to deceive or misdirect everyone? When one happens upon a URL that leads direcrtly to Catholic Answers, what is one to assume? Dr. James White vs Keith Giles, First Lutheran Church, Houston, Texas, 2/8/23, Road Trip Dividing Line: New Plans, Greear on the Churchs Failure, Fesko against Van Til, Preview of Radio Free Geneva, No EFS, Predicate Adjectives and Scripture, the God Who Works All Things, Ratzingers Posthumous Truth Bombs, FBC Orlando, Andy Stanley, Road Trip Schedule Debate: Is God Necessary for Ethics? caused by the hundreds of corrupt new Bible versions, which have redefined You shouldnt cut-and-paste a huge amount of garbage into someone elses com box. King List 3. God bless you for your remarks! and go on to sing Kumbaya right afterwards? Ill choose to not read Dr. Whites book at this time. How did you determine youd follow Rome? I did look at Whites website. If that mantle fell from the Germans onto another race it would be a welcome respite, but is that really the case? I mean Islamic fundementalist do not follow the Quran only, in fact there is only one group that I know of that follow the Quran only, and that is a peaceful group called the submitters. Maybe you were under the impression that you were going to be in a safe place to just share your journey and not be challenged? Yeah, heh heh! What mindset? Brian Day, Why would any Protestant create a phony link and then have a Catholic post the link???. He would have been better off to have admitted, some time ago, that he had made a grave error. Indeed, the Prince of Lies whom they have served must be so very proud of them!!! In short, you either need to be divinely inspired yourself to know, or you need (Divine) testimony which is beyond doubt. The Apostles were empowered by our Saviour to forgive sins Here is a man, White, who sought and received doctoral credentials from an institution that is not regionally accredited and has none of the attributes one associates with excellence in theological research. Through the church, couldnt tell you the location and Id be interested to see your answer, and to the church yet again. And you do it using a goofy identity-hiding handle, too. Anathema to those who spurn the teachings of the holy Fathers and the tradition of the holy Catholic Church, taking as a pretext and making their own the arguments of Arius, Nestorius, Eutyches, and Dioscorus, that unless we were evidently taught by the Old and New Testaments, we should not follow the teachings of the holy Fathers and of the holy Ecumenical Synods, and the tradition of the Catholic Church (The Council of Nicea 787, Acts of Session I). Outsons.com is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to (amazon.com and or other merchants). Praise God for the gift of James White. Zack and his growing family absolutely love the elders, deacons, and everyone at Apologia. And Pauls says the punishment inflicted on him by the majority is sufficient for him. Living word. Did his pictures provoke wry smiles and amusement among his audience? I fail to see how the Bible being 100% Gods word neccessitates the rejection of the FACT that God employed human authors to convey His Word. Mary Kay, Whites posted pictures should be(have been) over (long ago), in my opinion, unless there is anyone here who would care to go further in the analysis than I. Maybe, if you want to get to the bottom of things, considering you indulge conspiracy theories, its a start. Proverbs 14:34. Protestant Evangelicals disagree with each other on infant baptism, baptismal regeneration, church government, womens ordination, the sacraments (their number or if there are any), whether one can lose his salvation, whether God is in or out of time, whether God knows the future, whether the Trinity is social or substantially unified, whether Jesus could have sinned, whether or not in the incarnation the Word gave up his divine attributes, eschatology, whether or not covenant theology is correct, monergysm, synergysm, amil, postmil, the Sabbath, premil, post-trib, mid-trb, no-trib, pre-trib, and the perpetuity of spiritual gifts. There have been some wonderful posts with many great insights (at least for me personally). Are. Apparently nobody when you consider the following denominations and their doctrines: Thats why I started quoting blog entries from certain people is their entirety in my responses (for which, ironically, I was then chastised for going on at such length). You havent been reasonable. Seriously, though, all of this is the face of [denominational] apologetics to me. Let him be the first not to forgive. The Revelation of Ezra Romans 14:13 is clear: Isnt that a littleobsessive? Admin Street1:P.O. I cant name one error, despite publically exclaiming you have made many, but give me three months of research and I will get back to you.. Also, Im in full agreement with Mr. Donald Casadonte. And theres your essential problem. The original post goes to Whites moronic photoshops, which is all Ive focused on. I doubt whether anyone familiar with White thinks hes an idiot in fact. I have tried to state what I hope may be a consensus analysis of humor scholars: Jimmy is more right in his analysis of the humor of these pictures than Dr. White is. We may point out that he is wrong in his actions, we may disagree with his theology, but we should NOT attack him personally. Foxfier: it seems like convenient outrage. They innocently introduced the website in the Amazing. God knows the true Canon (he knows what he wrote). Bartholomew the disciple came to me in a vision and revealed to me a secret special knowledge: Q reads too many Ehrman and Pagels books. And the Protestants see what they see and think its reasonable to do what they do in order to be consistent with what they believe Christ wants. The debate Mr Akin says is now over never started because he refuses to debate Dr White in any substantive manner and has for some time. The Chronicles of the Kings of Media and Persia[22] And then you go off on how he hasnt proven James Whites innocence. and 3] learn church history, archaelogy and let that information soften your collective memory [which is another word for embedded prejudice. When the counterpart is finished, he expected a quick rebuttal, but doesnt get one. Matthew, He has authored or contributed to more than twenty four books, including The King James Only Controversy, The Forgotten Trinity, The Potters Freedom, The God Who Justifies and What Every Christian Needs to Know About the Quran. Quite telling actually. The Book of Samuel the Seer[5] Why not just say, God did it, since to attribute Gods work to mans work is unbiblical. But if it is legitimate to say that God used the distinctive personalities and historical circumstances of these figures to communicate his truth, then something can be both 100% Gods doing and human beings cooperate. As someone active in the pro-life movement, I have to tell you that I am accustomed to violent shrieking, rude gestures, angry insults, and even guys in tricked out VW buses getting so upset they nearly rip the rearview mirror out. By the by, http://www.jameswhite.org for the CA website url? Its not a simple domain preemptive registering done by Catholic Answers, nor does it seem to be related to aomin.org (they have their own website, own nameserver, etc.). James White and Jimmy Akin have met on numerous occasions in a variety of formats and frankly it is White who ends up tossing red herrings to avoid dealing with the truth. No, and Im not close enough to any of you, either. He has been married to Kelli for more than thirty-seven years, and has two children, and four grandchildren. Remember the last time you *actually* did not know whether to laugh or cry? It is by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified but whom God raised from the dead, that this man stands before you healed. I dont want there to be confusion. God Bless. 1. Now what? Funny Is it not fair to say that a great deal of bad behaviour in the last century was the work of regimes that were atheistic, if not scientistic? Its also an example of what I see as a sense of entitlement. Did Jesus Offer Himself on the Cross as a Willing Sacrifice for the Sins of Gods People? Another reason there never will be a definitive teaching on whether the salvation of those converting from OSAS will never appear is because it would involve an ecclesial body exercising authority in time regarding matters not settled in Scripture that were always true but never questioned or seriously considered until now. The pics were to appeal to the anticatholic. Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!. I wasnt offended. Cuneiform Tablets 4. And I think this is where White is coming from too. That is total heresy! Stubble, Because of the nature of the issue and the points I will address, I ask for clemency for what will surely be both a long and late-in-the-game post. If these things have been defined de fide, are we to believe that the gospel has changed since that time, if, in fact, these things were not defined as part of the gospel at that time?. This does not mean that White does not know anything. I see you mindlessly follow an Internet Apologist such as James White! Double standards? As I see it, the analogy was spot on. We are obliged to yield many things to the Papists (there, he means Catholics); that they possess the Word of God which we received from them. I have four of my own to get in bed. Thus, perhaps you see now at least a potential source of frustration for the Reformed Caucus. You either make your own choices or you dont. I mean, Im a cessationalist, and I dont believe speaking in tounges to still go on. Ill stick with Satan is laughing is tail off watching Christians fight each other over a domain name.. But its not nearly as pathetic and sad as White calling Beckwith Doctor Beckwith in his exchanges. The Book of the Kings of Judah and Israel[13] As for the rest of the portion, I basically agree with the rest of the logic, but as others have pointed out, the overarching problem with Mr. Whites entire argument stems from the question HOW? Not because it is so outrageous, but because it captures certain aspects of peoples behavior and shows how incredibly bizarre it actually is. But Greg, heres my inquiry to you. The Question is, can they do anything about it? All of the category error pussyfooting nicely dodges the real problem with the picture: White states an equivalence between people in the comment thread demanding charity (yes, in a predictable and certainly from his standpoint irritating fashion) with those who use violence and intimidation to silence their opponents. No human can recall *everything. You know the kind where he says something without really saying it. 877-753-3341 (US Callers Only). Taking my word that Im right is something I wouldnt want anyone to do, thats why I back up what Im saying. Even sinful man has movements of the spirit that require our respect. http://jimmyakin.typepad.com/defensor_fidei/2007/08/james-white-has.html#c79351988. Dont use this as a cheap debate tactic to aviod the real issues. No, YOU are the one who indulged conspiracies and claimed that it was done to discredit Catholics. He also servedin youth ministry for nine plus years, at Bethel Church in Crown Point, Indiana and at LifeQuest Church, in Phoenix, Arizona. Maccabees (II) May 13, 2019 - Explore Sam Roberts's board "Alpha omega tattoo" on Pinterest. I challenge you to back up your words with evidence showing where Dr. White has always proclaim(ed) victory. Surely, the OT is just as infallible as the NT. The first can be deleted. They (or their comboxers) often respond with nasty smears of their own Tech FAX: Actually, if he was influencing my kids and drawing people away from truth; you bet I would, in a flash. Where now are all those who have cried out: That is what anti-catholic is, you know. The Apostles were the foundation of the True Church. He also has two grandchildren. Oh, and for the record, I think sockpuppetry, silly parodies and similarly goofy tactics (like people who insist on being called doctor while at the same time using moronic photoshops) have no place in serious debate and/or dialogue. Jesus, He is an accomplished debater, having engaged in more than one-hundred sixty five moderated, public debates around the world with leading proponents of Roman Catholicism, Islam, Jehovahs Witnesses, and Mormonism, as well as critics such as Bart Ehrman, John Dominic Crossan, Marcus Borg, and John Shelby Spong. Are you willing to put an equally harsh light on the historic abuses of Protestants? Posted by: CareBear | Aug 13, 2007 4:28:08 PM That sounded so much like the playground nyahh, nyahh, same to you! that I actually laughed out loud. Jerry, yet the same council says: But the simplest definition of the word mystic only means one who loves God very much. I was addressing the Roman Catholic apologetics community. Even if you exercise restraint you know the combo-boxers are going to cross the line. if asked specifically.) Mike, you *sign* as Mike Petrik. However you: Prejudiced. (Two concepts you would do well to look into developing in yourself). Your opinions dont matter. Im well aware of Edward and his religious, or non-relegious presuasion. This was one of the hardest parts for me in my conversion. No one has addressed Whites points because he hasnt made any. Paraphrasing of the argument what was originally asked, anyways. Someone may be completely mistaken to suggest that I am lacking charity, and it may be that I should in no way take their advice. There comes a time when the best thing is to simply not engage with the other person and only respond to correct any inaccuracies. Your theory is just a way to cover up someones malicious intents. your own personal determination of what I said Huh??????? It doesnt hurt that much to say, I was wrong. God made man in His own image. CatholicWayne: Thats the problem with re-fighting 500 year old battles: it makes you look like an obsessive crank. Fascinating and important stuff from the former Pope. *grin*. Its pretty clear bill912, it would only take light reading to understand Whites book. Apologetics, Faraston Seminary, 1995, M.A. Whites fans always do. I think this must have been the basis for Jesus severe condemnation of those who call their fellows fools (aka morons). It might help to pick up the book as each point you raise is dealt with by White, as you can see. It takes more than a few monkies to to consitute a cirus! 1. discussion in this thread. What? Its not good for anyone to be negative in this way, and that goes for either side of things (Prot or Cath). Hence the frustration. I am in the wilds of eastern Mississippi but we got a program in anyway! TROUBLE! Boor. I fully expect him to start into depends on your interpretation at any time now. As others have observed in this thread, its not possible to use reason with someone not being rational. Mike, Ive used gallows humor myself. Mt 13:15: I think there is also a misunderstanding on what the word Charity means. As Zack was pastoring in the summer 2012, he was awakened to the abortion holocaust and has never been the same since. Your idea that Roman Catholics were killing your people for hundreds of years and then a *few* bad apple Protestants killed some people in return is so unhistorical that one doesnt know where to begin. A person who believes what this man teaches (see his blasphemy against God in his London -Godtube program) should be calm and saying to the rest of the world, what are these people worried about; God has already saved those who are savable. 1. You should not give yourself a reputation for purblind deceptiveness trying to save him. Guys, Sandys our Gnostic Troll, not a sincere Bible Christian. This fellow painted Dr. White an islamic fundamentalist before Dr. White ever made the pictures in question. The Psalms of Solomon Instead of addressing any of my comments, you go and reel off a series of questions that you say is from Whites site. At some point you either decide what it means for yourself or you decide to let someone else make the choice for you. If you have a question, just ask Jimmy directly, the way everyone else does. Thanks, bill912; although, I doubt therell be an answer. Jesus, I am sorry for my tone. Or perhaps recalling a handful of protestant killers really does serve as proof that Romes killers werent so bad? My posts have said it. Posted by: Foxfier | Aug 14, 2007 1:10:05 PM The registrant organization is Mapname.com and they are based in Riverside, California. If I somehow hurt your feelings than Esau should have pages more written about him because he has intentionally argued fallaciously, i.e. ITS THE CATHOLIC CHURCH/CATHOLIC ANSWERS/JIMMY AKIN RESPONSIBLE FOR IT ALL ALONG!!! 2 . It is by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified but whom God raised from the dead, that this man stands before you healed. Important point. True! Stubblepark, Puritan Board Junior. Tech City:Riverside Posted by: CareBear | Aug 9, 2007 10:09:37 PM. May God Bless you, Papa! Bodily Assumption? How many authoritarian Catholics riot in the streets when the pope is savaged in political cartoons, as he is on a regular basis? And if youve already posted one specific theological question it wouldnt be difficult of you to cut and paste it again. Youre again committing that same category error. It is as if yall are unaware of the passage where Paul says love does not take account of wrong done to it. What did you expect, applause? We must not sink to the same level he has. Maybe on his screen it looked smaller. I didnt really get his analogy, carebear. CareBear: Ill admit theres nothing gnostic about *that*. The Acts of the Kings of Israel[18] is counted for righteousness. 18:18) Surely something must be visible to bind and loose, to be heard and obeyed. I see what Mr. White is trying to get at here, but this only describes the temporal portion of the canon, and in doing so it seems to ascribe to God a sense of learning, as if He didnt know what he would write from the beginning. And way more amusing than the actual photoshop. the Council of Trent really doesnt anathematize Protestants (even though it was written in direct response to the reforms of Luther and others) seeing as you deem him important enough to name your apologetics website after him?. Amazing so since theyre dead, they dont know anything??? Although not quite as fast as calling yourself Thomas Aquinas or is that the name your Mama gave you. drastically different views of what it means to repent. And this is where Well, then. This may be overstepping a line also, and if it is Im sure youll tell me. The Canon of Scripture (i.e, just what books actually belong in the Bible) cant be found in the individuals books that comprise the bible. The pictures apply to all Roman Catholics and not the select few that they are geared towards. Esau, Many people can express frustration quite effectively without resorting to photos like those. They may have been correct, and they may have been wrong. Thats an act of charity if ever there was one. I dont think Catholic answers likes JamesrWhite.org tied(or whatever you call it in this case) to their website. Funny. With all due respect, I do not think you got the gist of what I was saying. A note to Dr. White: you have written on you blog: Biblical salvation is a free gift, without works of self-righteousness, and is And, every Christian, by definition of them being a Christian, would admit to being a liar. Wouldnt a cursory reading of history reveal that everyone just showed up, and then upon coming to a simple agreement of what they all know to be true, headed home? James White does not. Shame on me for being reasonable though. Then see if youre still defending the guy. What can I say to that, in clear conscience? Your problem is with the historical record, not us. Would the Bishops at Nicea recognize and accept sola scriptura? translations from Hell. Matthew Siekierski: Also commented a bit on the Netherlands cracking down on farmers (enjoy the coming famines all due to the climate hoax being used as a Well, let me tell you, Rich is one happy camper. As I posted earlier, Whites defenders have displayed their fruits, by which we now know them. You have me confused with someone else. Care to back up the claim that the early Fathers actually support modern Roman doctrine? its history, developmemt, and definition is immaterial He could have proved me wrong by citing the verses that teach sola scriptura. CB, Sandy, Gwen and the others have a filter through which they view the church, church history, and arguments against the church. For example, one may be saved as a Baptist, but not as a Bahai (spelling error wantonly ignored) because the religion denies the divinity of Christ. A person who does this whether correct or mistaken loves me, cares about me, and wants to help me grow closer to Jesus Christ. He did not so admit. They were treated in just the same way as the Pope. For those who argue Sola Scriptura with Catholics the stakes are high. Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them (John 20:23). He allows those who dont forgive to do likewise, as in if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.. We do not deserve the ridicule of White like bad men deserve punishment. You may end up falling in love with several of these designs and ideas in no time! Otherwise, we should have known nothing at all about it As for your second, some other day perhaps you can tell me what you think should means. Are you a disciple? Its not the priest who forgives me in the Confessional, its Jesus. I dont expect any of you know me (from blogging, that is), but I just wanted to add a thought here. 2. of, pertaining to, or characteristic of a person who is mentally deranged: insane actions; an insane asylum. How does this man feed? Tech ID:DI_471115 Posted by: Jerry | Aug 10, 2007 6:37:05 AM As for those who are not rational, discourse is not the way into their soul. Incidentally, there are protestant abuses, true, but these were uniformly folk who had absorbed the sacralist/jihadist template uncritically from Rome. Or would you rather retract the presumptious statement and just admit you jumped the gun while you were getting a little too emotional and excited? Can you say the same for White supporters? Without it, theres no ad hominem. How many photos of mob scenes like the ones White doctored depict mobs of authoritarian Catholics? Do you know that the phrase drama queen is in the Merriam-Webster dictionary as a person given to often excessively emotional performances or reactions. Granted these questions dont have much meaning when one is debating issues about Faith but it should be. 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